The Don Bodenbach Show with Dr Sands
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provider. And now your host, Don Bodenbach.
DB: Hello, good to have you with us. Umm this morning we're going to talk
about a remarkable substance called CMO. This stuff is uhhm, it may be well
uhhh, what we consider almost a miracle cure for arthritis and uhhh the form
of arthritis actually doesn't matter, apparently it works for all forms. Uh
what is more impressive is that once you undergo the appropriate treatment
with CMO you are in most cases free from arthritis symptoms forever. So, one
treatment and that's it. So CMO is it's not a pain reliever, it's not uhhh
an anti-inflammatory, it doesn't work like cortisone drugs or steroids, uhh
it's essentially what is considered an immuno-modulator. An immuno-modulator
is obviously something that uh, uh, gets the immune system back to a more
functional uhm and appropriate state. And uh that will be explained and
talked about here by my guest uh and uhh expert on the subject of CMO, Mr.
Len Sands. Mr. Sands is the director of the San Diego Clinic uh Imunol,
Immunological Center, and uh, the efforts of this clinic and the research
uh, uh that has been done through the clinic and it's associates uh, that is
what has brought CMO now to the public attention. So Mr. Sands will be
joining me in just a moment to discuss the uh, the amazing potential of this
natural compound known as CMO. And we're gonna talk to Mr. Len Sands, and he
is a psychologist for over the past 26 years, uhh he has been the owner and
director of 4 crisis counseling centers, 6 medical clinics, 1 hospital, and
he has for the past 10 years been focused primarily on the medical research
that utilizes or involves the immune system and treatment. And for the past
3 years he's been the director of the San Diego Clinic Immunological Center
and it was through uh this clinic and his associates that CMO has been
studied and brought to the public light. So let's introduce Mr. Len Sands
here on the program. Mr. Sands, welcome Mr. Sands and thanks for being with
us.
MS: Thank you, it's a pleasure. I am happy to have this opportunity to talk
about something that uh we think is very important in the medical field.
DB: Well, in looking over the info and uh the literature about it and having
had a little bit of info about it prior. I uh had mentioned to you that in
the magazine that we published I wrote a little bit about it and uh and
getting the uhh information from you it has obviously given me a lot more to
go with in terms of understanding uh towards understanding this and I'll
tell you that uh that this really uhmm, I guess you could classify or put it
in the category of a real revolutionary break-through and uhm in medicine
since arthritis is under uhhm, millions and millions of people suffer with
it. But first, what I'd like to do so we can lay some ground work and and
help people to understand what we're talking about here... Could you put or
first explain the acronym of CMO, what that means, and uhh tell us what uhh
what the compound actually is?
MS: Okay, basically what ______ the CMO is the uh commercial name that is
the acronym for Cetyl_______________. Uhh and in the ______ that uhh we are
dealing with it here in the clinic, it is a uhh _________9 ceytlmirastoliate,
which has been essentially modified from it's uh original form, into a form
that is more readily digestible so that it does not have to be injected.
Now, where CMO comes from is uh, is quite an interesting history. The uh, it
was originally uh discovered at the US Government Nat"l Institutes for
Health. A researcher there by the name of Harry Diehl, back in 1971, uhhm,
discovered this substance uhhh existing in this string of mice called the
switch albino mice, which I initially used in the laboratory for research.
And he found it has this remarkable property, this propriety of uh
preventing the formation of arthritis uh in animals who were injected with
arthritis inducing substances. And even more remarkably, it had the property
of literally, totally reversing all arthritic symptoms in these same
laboratory animals. He continued to, research this, pretty much uhh of his
own volition and uhm, as much as he could in the NIH, w/out a great deal of
funding for___ It didn't seem like the NIH had uhh.. had a great deal of
interest in this particular substance. But anyway, it is, totally different.
The significant thing about CMO is that it is not treating the symptoms of
inflammation or pain; it is in fact, going directly into the immune system
and stopping the arthritic processes itself. Which allows the body to cope
with and heal itself and rid itself of the inflammation. The, the way it
works is uhh as we understand it here, as we have uhh, investigated it, uh,
which is confirmed by a number of different other actions of CMO. The way we
see this is that arthritis is an autoimmune disease that is a disease where
your own immune system is attacking your own body. And this occurs because
there are memory T-Cells in the immune system, which get programmed to
function against certain substances and organisms in the body. Once this
program is established, in this case, for the purpose of uhh, of attacking
cartilage it continues... and it continues as it was originally programmed
to destroy fragments of cartilage or damaged cartilage or unhealthy
cartilage in the body. And, unfortunately, there's no stopgap, there's no
end program signal in these memory T-Cells and attack continues then against
healthy cartilage as well. Uh, this is why; this is why we never see
arthritis getting better in people. Of course, there are improvements, uhh
that can be achieved through diet and the like but generally speaking,
arthritis progressively gets worse and worse, year after year, and that's
because this program is there and it's memory T-Cells, directing the attack
against your own cartilage, against your own joints. Now what CMO does that
is so unique and so totally different from any other substance so far uhh,
utilized for arthritis, is that it gets right in there into the memory
T-Cells and it erases that program. And as a result the arthritic process
stops. At that point there are no further attacks against your own joints
and your joints can heal themselves in their own natural manner or with
whatever other natural aid you might/may find beneficial to help that joint
heal. Now, what we see here then essentially is, I compare it... I like to
compare it to a uhh mad program in a computer, where you hire a technician
to come in, uh to fix the program, and the technician goes home and his job
is done and the program stays ______________. The same thing is true with
this re-programming of the memory T-Cells, once this is accomplished there
is no need for any further medication. Not even for CMO. The CMO has gone
in, done its job and it is not needed any longer, in most instances. There
are a few cases where more quantities, larger or prolonged therapy with CMO
can prove beneficial, but once it's over, it seems to be over.
DB: So a person, basically, as I mentioned in the beginning of the program,
you can take that there's basically a protocol, an amount that is given and
once a person takes that the job of restructuring or reprogramming the
immune response in the memory T-cells is done and once it's done, it's done
then the arthritic process is basically stopped and it will continue to be
stopped indefinitely, is that what I'm hearing here?
MS: There is a possibility, we are assuming this because people that were
treated, 8, 10, 12 years ago as a result of the studies and the compounds
produced by Harry Diehl with the NIH, these people have not needed any
treatment further for arthritis they have been able to discontinue all
medication, they haven't needed any more pain pills, they haven't needed any
more anti-inflammatory drugs and this is an enormous benefit to those
patients, simply because of the fact that many of these things are harmful,
they're harmful to the liver, they're harmful to the kidneys. We had a
patient in here just a few days ago, an antique dealer, a woman who was
taking between I believe 8 and 15 Tylenol a day and her test results on
liver functions indicate that she was definitely suffering some liver
impairment as a result of this kind of medication. And this is uh.. she was
has been amazed, she was taking CMO for only a matter of 5 days and she saw
very significant improvement already despite her liver damage so it's a
great benefit because once you're done with this program it appears that you
are likely to be done forever. We can’t say for sure that perhaps at some
point in the future this same individual. may encounter some circumstances
that could trigger the process anew. but should that happen 10 yrs down the
line you can just take CMO again.
DB: Yeah, absolutely now one last thing we're gonna have to take a break
here in a moment, but I wanted to ask you since the standard treatment that
you mentioned, Tylenol which is, in those, when you start getting up into
the doses that you mentioned it does get to be a problem with the liver but
we've also got the non steroidal anti inflammatory, drugs that are known to
actually continue or perpetuate the arthritic process because although it
does block pain it disrupts prostaglandin synthesis and is not really , is
actually something that furthers joint disruption. So my question is, as far
as arthritis, one of the main symptoms or problems is the pain associated
with it; does the CMO also help w/ the pain if it's actually stopping the
process of the disease?
MS: CMO itself does not stop pain, CMO's action is totally limited to the
immune system itself but the body itself when the inflammation is relieved
as a result of the halting of the arthritic process then the body itself
makes all those corrections with the disappearance of the inflammation w/
the pressure on the nerves and the like and the joints, the joint heals
itself and the pain disappears and this can be very rapid, it's really
amazing how quickly the body can readjust itself in some instances. When we
introduced this product at the conference on aging in Las Vegas, the med.
conference there were 3 Dr's' there who tried CMO right there at the
conference. And they had immediate. results w/in 24 hrs it is really quite
remarkable how quickly now that's not true in all instances of course.
DB: Uh hmm, fascinating. This is DB, you're listening to the nature of
health care My guest is Mr. Len Sands and he's an expert in the area of
something called CMO and we're gonna talk more about this amazing compound
because arthritis effects millions and millions of people and we may have
something here that can literally work in a way in which nothing else that
we've got avail to us can work so this info is very valuable please take
notes and we'll be back in just a moment.
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DB: Hello, thank you for joining us if you've just tuned in we're talking
about a substance called CMO This compound has shown some remarkable
benefits for the treatment of arthritis and some other things which we're
gonna talk about here in just a moment> Before we left on the break my guest
here is Mr. Len Sands he's an expert in the area of CMO and he's also the
director of the SD Clinic Immunological. Center where they have done much of
the studies on CMO and really trying to bring this compound to the public
eye. Mr. Sands whenever we hear something like this and it has such remark
benefits there's always the question of you know #1/ Why haven't we heard of
it before and # 2. If it's so great why isn't the medical profession using
it. All those questions, I know the answers to that, perhaps you can tell us
what your feelings are about that.
Laugh
MS: Yes, well of course, CMO is rather buried, in the NIH for a number of
years to the point that when the individual who discovered it retired, he
himself had to continue on the research on his own there was no funding
avail. from the NIH. And once it was, even though it was proved w/in the
labs of NIH they had these magnificent properties of seemingly reversing
permanently the effects of arthritis. and it's diff to understand why these
things happen, that is why they get buried, but they do. And one of the
things that we've discovered too since then or that we've been told that
this particular substance was offered to 3 major pharmaceutical companies in
the US all of whom rejected it because being a natural substance they didn't
feel they could adequately patent it and protect it from other people
basically utilizing the same substance and they dint want to make the
investment. Frankly it seems that they didn't care at all whether it cured
arthritis all they cared about was whether they could have it for their own
product w/o anyone else coming in and joining into the into the (mix of
voices DB" the patent frenzy as we call it). Yes, very much so. And so, it
got buried, it got lost until late in 1993 when there was a small 2 or 3
page article published in the Journal of Pharmaceutical Sciences. And in
this article CMO was mentioned, the studies and the NIH that had taken place
some 10 yrs before were described and our researchers here are research
_____ discovered this and so it was a remarkable thing. We began to explore
it then, not long after that, well we didn't find it until sometime after it
was published, but early in 1995 we began making our own studies as the
article in the Journal of Pharmaceutical Sciences said, “we hope somebody
picks up this exploration of this particular substance.” Well we did, we
picked up the exploration of that substances and we continued and did some
studies on 48 patients and were absolutely amazed by the results. We got
between 30 - 100 % improvement in joint mobility and in pain reduction. Only
2 of the 48 patients didn't respond to CMO and both of those it turned out
had substantial liver damage. One from alcohol problems previous to taking
the CMO and the other as a result of liver damage. He was a professional
foot- ball player and had liver damage from steroid abuse from when he was a
professional athlete. So it seems to be a benefit to virtually everybody
except those who have liver damage and also we find that it has no effect on
gouty arthritis. And there again, gout is a different problem, it's sort of
a physical problem that results from the deposit of uric acid crystals in
the joints, these sharp pointy crystals that irritate the joint and cause a
great deal of pain inflammation and the like. But that's something, that's a
physical thing that CMO doesn't reach in that way. CMO, as I said works on
the immune system and gets right back into the source of the problem when
that problem has auto immune components
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DB: Mr. Sands, I ask you this because I know a lot of people are thinking
this right now in terms of the differences in arthritis. You mention that it
won't have an effect on gouty arthritis and that's understandable because we
know that's a primary issue relating to uric acid build up. What we're
talking about here right now though we've got 2 rheumatoid and osteo
arthritis. Many people suffer greatly from rheumatoid arthritis of course
that one is the one always considered as the one to be potentially an auto
immune problem I have not ever considered osteo arthritis in that way we
thought more it was more of a mechanical type of arthritis but now in fact
umm....
MS: Now see the mechanical damage to the joint that results, the trauma that
results in the damage to the cartilage triggers this very same auto immune
process, this very same mis-programming. I like to call it a mis-
programming rather than a good programming. This mis programming of the
memory t- cells that continue to attack those joints So it does relate back
to the immune system, and it is auto immune. As are many other forms of
arthritis like ______Syndrome, ________Syndrome, writers Syndrome
__________arthritis surprisingly we had a patient who when he tried CMO he
had about 20 % of his body covered with psoriasis as well as very
significant problems with his knees as a result of sporadic arthritis. And
it not only affected his knees to the point where he stopped wearing a knee
brace and has returned to full activity but it cleared up the appearance of
the psoriasis on the skin as well.
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DB: Hello welcome back This is DB and were talking about arthritis in this
hour we're gonna talk a little bit more about some other conditions that are
benefited and helped greatly by a compound that's a natural substance, it's
acronym is CMO. An expert on that subject, Mr. Len Sands, is here talking
with us about it. Remember, it's a natural substance and it is now readily
and widely available and made available through the efforts of the San Diego
Clinic Immunological Center and Mr. Len Sands. So let's further our
discussion and um Mr. Sands I know that I've been involved in this for quite
some time I know that raw materials sometimes we got some extraordinary
expensive raw materials that whenever you have a, you’re trying to get a
product into a finished form and actually get it in to capsules and
whatever, especially when you have things like ___dine Q10 and now with the
CMO there's all types of methods available, extraction methods to be able to
get these compounds and it's these methods, it's the methodology that many
times determines the actual cost of the product. And with this I know that
you had mentioned to me that in the beginning CMO, in order to extract it,
was costing somewhere around $100 per capsule.
MS: The way they were extracting it, they were grinding up these albino mice
by the thousands and dissolving out the CMO they were getting from this poor
animal. And of course we've been able to avoid that situation now, were able
to use a ________tallow substance to extract CMO from. And even though the
raw materials are not all that expensive, the extraction, the extraction
process itself is quite expensive.
DB: Let's talk now though about the protocol and the expense, actual expense
of going through the CMO protocol.
MS: Basically, an individual should take 3 capsules of CMO in the morning
and 3 in the evening; there are 100 capsules that come in a bottle and 16
and half days or so one has to finish the protocol.
This sometimes gets extended because there apparently is some release of
built up toxins that have accumulated over the years in the liver and in the
joints and if an individual gets to feeling a little week or upset stomach
we suggest they discontinue a couple days until they're feeling 100% again
because the effect is cumulative it doesn't hurt to interrupt the treatment.
But usually in a matter of 2 and half weeks they're done taking the capsules
and there's virtually no restrictions once they've finished taking the
capsules While they're taking it they do have to avoid alcohol, chocolate,
black tea and restrict their intake of caffeine and a few other foods of
that nature. ?But that restriction is momentary during the period they're
actually taking the medication. Once they finish that there are no dietary
restrictions.
DB: And the cost of the protocol is somewhere in the area of about $300 is
that correct?
MS: Yes, that's correct.
DB: So now what we're saying though is that although that for a single
protocol is peanuts in comparison to the non steroidal anti inflammatory
drugs that‘s taken for arthritis.
MS: Oh people say its a blessing because they were looking forward to
spending thousands and thousands of dollars for the rest of their lives
taking, just taking things to allow them to just barely function during the
day. Whereas they take CMO and the return to somewhere between 70 and 100 %
of their old selves. I did, personally, I had my own personal experiences
with CMO.
DB: Let's get back for a moment to the rheumatoid arthritis and the osteo
arthritis. Now I know there are many people out there, once rheumatoid
arthritis advances to a certain point some people are obviously crippled and
it's a very, very agonizing type of situation for people that are well
advanced into the disease how well does the CMO work on those people and is
it basically the same for those people that have the beginnings of it and
people that are well advanced in it. Is there any changes that need to take
place or differences in protocols for the different levels of the disease
process?
MS: Generally speaking, that's what we did with the 48 patients. We were
primarily examining the protocol necessary and the various different
severities and forms of arthritis and what we found was that the protocol
was virtually the same. It it it uhhh.. some people may respond quicker
because of their ability to heal faster is better than those of other
individuals. But even though a case may be very, very advanced, we've had
people that that have been in wheelchairs for, for 2, 3, 4 years that are,
that are back up walking again. Uhhh uhh, it's it's uh, as long as there's
no damage to the bone, the CMO stops the arthritic process and the body
begins to normalize. If there is physical damage to the bone, of course,
that's something that is you know something that ______ cannot correct (DB:
uh huh) and uh, and that may require surgery. But we've had uhh, I recall
one case very distinctly where, where this person was uhh, was considering
uhh, well actually, she was suicidal. And she reached the point where the
CMO, she found CMO, she took the CMO, she had a frozen hip joint uhh among
all the other pains that she had and by the time she was done with the CMO
she said, "well uhh, I reached the point where I'm gonna get surgery on my
hip, now it's worth it." And this is, you know, quite a step from suicide.
DB: Hmm. And now let me ask you this; people that are considering hip
replacement surgeries and this type of thing, is it, is there any way to
potentially prevent that or are they in that situation because the bone has
deteriorated and nothing else that can be done?
MS: It depends upon the individual situation. There have been several
instances where we have actually, CMO has actually, intervened to the point
where the individuals did not feel that surgery was worth the effort beyond
that point. (DB: uh hmm) The improvement was so dramatic that they felt no
need. And we've had, another quick comment of one uhh, one physician as a
matter of fact who, who said that uhh, if, He had had knee surgery and a
knee replacement uhh several years before and he said that the remarkable
thing is that it didn't fix just one joint it fixed all of my joints that
were being attacked. And, and it turned his life around.
DB: When joints are being affected like this and then CMO is taken and the
CMO is done and the pain and inflammation is gone.. what about exercise,
weight bearing issues on the joint, uhh will it allow you to be able to
exercise afterwards or is there still uhh residual joint problems?
MS: Yes, uhh exercise is not a problem. We recommend that people return to
their normal activities gradually simply because, you, you know you don't
want to over stress a joint again. Uhh one of our frequent encounters with
patients afterwards indicate that uhh " I felt so good I started doing
things I hadn't done in so long that uhh uhh" they had to develop muscle
soreness, but not joint soreness. You can over fatigue your muscles and get
aches and pains in the muscles but the joints, the joints seem to do just,
just well (DB: Uh huh)
We had one woman who was uhh, in physical therapy at the time that she
started CMO she couldn't even lift a 4-pound weight. And uhh, when she
finished, I think it was in about uhh 6 days, uhh, she was lifting 10-pound
weights.
(DB: Uh hmm)
And she returned to a full, normal full size work out. But here again,
approach it with caution,
(DB: Uh huh)
And don't uhh, like any, like any exercise program you know, you don't want
to over do it uh initially. You just want to rebuild your strength, uhh,
quite gradually.
DB: Many people uh suffered deformities as a result of the arthritis, You
can see it in the hands especially of the older people. Can it have an
effect on changing or reversing these deformities or is that something that
uhh uhh..
MS: Well, a lot of these are usually the result of the inflammation itself.
These huge nodules that form, are the result of the inflammation. Once the
inflammation disappears the appearance improves dramatically. And besides
that, this very swelling, this very same swelling of the joint, uhh often
dislocates the bone that causes that twisted disfigurement appearance. And
uh because there's disproportionate pressure on the bone, twisting them out
of their normal place. And as a result, when the inflammation is gone very
frequently, the bones return back to their normal positions and there is a
remarkable improvement. We've had a number of people tell us that they've
had to get their rings re-sized and all sorts of things like that that occur
as a result.
DB: We need to take one more break. When we come back we'll take a few phone
calls.
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DB: Hello. Welcome back. We're talking with Mr. Len Sands about a compound
known as CMO. And uh, this substance has done some remarkable things with
arthritic patients. And Dr. Sands, just one, I wanna mention this to you, I
want you to help us understand this aspect because I've already heard
there's usually, when a good substance like this comes out, there's
immediately a knock-off from somewhere and there's some product that... I'm
not sure if it's CMO or what it is but it's a, a I guess a less expensive
version of it. And I've talked to a number of people who've taken that and
hasn't received the kind of results that we're describing here. Uhh, could
you just give us a cautionary note about other compounds that are out there
and what we need to be looking for?
MS: Yes, I'd be happy to do that. As a matter of fact we're rather upset,
it's not a knock-off, and it's not a less expensive version. It's a.. it is
a totally different substance that, whose molecules resemble CMO but don't
function in the immune system. And it actually counterfeited out label, the
CMO label. And uhh it is an unfortunate thing. They're capitalizing on a
product that certainly has proven to be very effective and they have
counterfeited it and it's no better than a counterfeit bill. In actual fact,
it doesn't work. And it may even bare a label that says CMO on it. But it is
not.
DB: But it is not that. Alright, so we got that out there, people need to
know that particular issue. That's why you know, that I knew this was the
source and that's why I had you here on the program so that we could really
talk about this stuff that really works.
Now let's just, we don't really have a lot of time left. I know that there
are some callers and we're not gonna have time to really take them at this
point. But just in review: First of all, the CMO, the treatment, one time
around through the protocol is really all you need for the majority of
people. Is that correct?
MS: That's right and they can just leave their medications behind after
that.
DB: And the types of arthritis that it's effective for would be the
rheumatoid arthritis, the osteo arthritis. Not the gouty arthritis but also
some of the other arthritic situations like anklos_____itis, writer’s
syndrome, Shorgan (?) Syndrome, Beckett Syndrome (?), and psoriatic
arthritis have also responded to the treatment as well. Correct?
MS: That is absolutely right. And there have been other disorders that
people have.. various Dr's who've been utilizing CMO have found to be
beneficial. Things like Lupus, Multiple Sclerosis, Emphysema and the like.
Simply because... Along with other medications, where CMO seems to work
along with other medications to help the process along as well as it's
effect on the immune system.
DB: So you have ... Now you have worked with quite a few people with the CMO
and if I'm hearing you correctly, what you said is unless a person has not
suffered some degree of liver function impairment then the vast majority of
people respond favorably to CMO?
MS: We're getting about a 96% success rate.
DB: Amazing. And as far as the cost of CMO... a one treatment protocol,
which is 100 capsules in a bottle that lasts approximately 16 days, taking 3
capsules twice a day is in the neighborhood of $300.
MS: That's correct.
DB: And then once you do that then in the vast majority of cases you have no
further treatment necessary?
MS: That's absolutely right.
DB: Well, there you have it folks. That's the story on CMO. Mr. Sands, I'd
like to first thank you very much for being here and there's a lot more that
we can talk about with this. And we've had just a phenomenal response here
on the radio. I can see that the phone lines have been lit up from the time
that we had mentioned it. So there's obviously a lot of interest in this.
Mr. Sands, thank you so much for being with us and I'll be talking to you
shortly and we'll have you back on the air shortly as well.
MS: Well, I would love it. I would love to come back and thank you so much.
DB: You're more than welcome.
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